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		<title>Taking it to &#8220;the man&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul has graciously asked people to send him some queries to raise before the OGC technical meeting in Ottawa. In somewhat of an irony, it has been exactly 7 months to the day that my rant on client support was first posted.
Unfortunately my post still stands. To reiterate my point,
While i understand the importance of [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://geotips.blogspot.com">Paul</a> has graciously asked people to <a href="http://geotips.blogspot.com/2007/04/ask-ogc.html">send him some queries</a> to raise before the <a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org">OGC</a> technical meeting in Ottawa. In somewhat of an irony, it has been exactly 7 months to the day that my rant on <a href="http://chris.narx.net/2006/09/07/the-problem-with-ogc-support/">client support was first posted</a>.</p>
<p>Unfortunately my post still stands. To reiterate my point,</p>
<blockquote><p>While i understand the importance of server compliance using tools such as <a href="http://cite.occamlab.com/">CITE</a>, if the subsequent clients consuming these services are poorly implemented, the end user surely has to question the point of it all.</p></blockquote>
<p>It <strong>should</strong> be all about the clients baby! Unfortunately outside of the OWS-X and other demonstrator projects around the globe (where arguably the roles are clearly defined), vendor support is more or less a waste of time. What can be done in one application can&#8217;t be done in another. Seemingly simple items of the specs are broken, poorly implemented or simply forgotten. Vendors are all to quick to leap to the conclusion that their *insert propriety acronym here* could solve the problem, even though its entirely feasible to use the standards if their product simply supported it better. Oh and lets not forget that the product leaf-let clearly states that the protocol is supported &#8230; but by how much? Who knows!</p>
<p>I think the <a href="http://www.toothpastefordinner.com">following image</a> sums up my feelings nicely, we need one of these &#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://chris.narx.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/yardstick.gif" onclick="return false;" title="Direct link to file"><img src="http://chris.narx.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/yardstick.gif" alt="yardstick.gif" /></a></p>
<p>Whether or not WMS/WFS/WCS/CSW (&#8230;) client support is caused by a lack of motivation, client demand or vendor negligence, i won&#8217;t go so far as to guess. Certainly if OGC put as much emphasis on broadening the consumption of its standard&#8217;s as it does jumping through hoops to get certified, I would have a lot less grief at work!</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m sorry &#8220;Frustrated-Consumer-of-OGC-standards&#8221;, what you have requested is entirely possible with the standards and server however your client does not support that manner of request. Can i advise hand-coding a *insert language here* script to post a request, parse the response, convert the format and then drop it into your GIS so you can do what you have asked??&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Can you just send me the file? That will be easier &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I hope the horrible analogy of <em>build it and they will come</em> will hold true. Otherwise, we&#8217;re in trouble &#8230;</p>


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